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| Sven Full Member
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pm | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (10th Jul 08 at 10:58am UTC) | | Thats turning the context into a whole different perspective.
There are flaws with using that argument Marc, you should know that above most others. Using an argument, by either placing it into a hypothetical situation or appropriating your response is a no, no. For many reasons:
It totally changes the though patterns of your brain. By doing what you just did, and turning browsing youtube into a day of shopping in a REAL LIFE SITUATION, it changes the perspective into something that isn't real. When browsing the internet, you are behind a barrier, to have someone else look at what you look at is no issue. For one, it is only on YouTube, not other sites. If they were to look through your entire history - that's a bit rude looking at the porno sites and stuff you go to. However, the issue is about other people know what you're doing.
Do you go to a doctor? He knows what you are doing, do you go to a Pharmacist to get medication? The Pharmacist knows, plus at least 3 assistants know what is happening. Do you blink an eye? No...you would if they told other people. To do what you just did, look at this.
You go to a doctor, as you have a serious irritation around your genitalia - obviously, a highly embarrassing problem. The doctor tells you, you have Public Lice (Crabs) and have to get special cream from the Pharmacist, he writes you up a prescription of medicine.
Now, you walk to the pharmacist, you hand your script over to the pharmacy assistant with dispensary training, he/she now knows. They hand it to the pharmacist who looks at it and puts it in order of emergency, he/she now knows. Another pharmacist may look at it and also fill it, he/she now knows. You then have to pay for it, by giving the script to the cashier, he/she now knows.
So, all in all, isn't the doctor really breaching confidentiality? None of the other 3 - 4 people are going to use that information against you, and you aren't worried. They know, you have an embarrassing problem. It may even be illegal as pharmacies hand our Heroin medication for addicts who want to quit. So that is an illegal practice that up to 5 people know about now.
Now, lets turn it into a YouTube situation.
YouTube is telling someone else (the police) about private business, just like the doctor told the pharmacist who inturn told the assistant, who told other people etc, etc.
THE SAME PRINCIPLE APPLIES HERE! YouTube looking at your IP and using it for security reasons should not be confronting, it should not be a worry. They log it, for use for suspects of uploading copyrighted material. Therefor, the police will only ask for it if you have uploaded any videos of this kind, or done anything suspicious. Just because you looked at the video does NOT mean that the police will request your IP address, at all, and if they do? You won't know unless you get arrested - and it would have been for a good reason too.
This is not a big issue, it's a lot of gas bagging and carrying on in my opinion. The government is still protecting your privacy in that only YouTube and Police will see your IP - People in China can't find it, your next door neighbor sure won't see it. Whats the big issue? I still fail to see one! (Cause there isn't one to begin with!). | |
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| Marc vChat Developer
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pmwww | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (10th Jul 08 at 11:17am UTC) | | I'm assuming you didn't read through the article...YouTube is handing over the information of every view of every video ever recorded in their system, not just uploads. They're also not handing it to the police, they're handing it to the company that's suing them.
The company is saying that they will only use it for the trial, but you don't know that they'll hold up their end.
As for the doctor's example, the variables aren't the same. In the situation you presented it's your choice to hand over the paper to the pharmacist and give away the details. You could choose to have your doctor directly handle the prescription so that no one else knows, or you could just live with the problem.
In what's happening here you have no choice in having the information handed over; you can't choose an alternate more private option because you're not directly involved in the information being handed over. Which is why the being "stalked" example works, while the "doctor" example you provided is not the same thing. | |
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| Sven Full Member
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pm | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (10th Jul 08 at 12:22pm UTC) | | To answer your question I didn't read the article which makes me look like an idiot as of now. From what was given without reading the article (my laziness) it was being handed to the police etc.
Whatever, I see the point now as to the privacy issue that was raised, however, my point still stands within its context lol. | |
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| Marc vChat Developer
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pmwww | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (10th Jul 08 at 12:30pm UTC) | | To answer your question I didn't read the article which makes me look like an idiot as of now. From what was given without reading the article (my laziness) it was being handed to the police etc.
Whatever, I see the point now as to the privacy issue that was raised, however, my point still stands within its context lol.
Haha, no worries; we all have our lazy moments. | |
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| Nick Very Senior Member
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pmwww | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (10th Jul 08 at 3:02pm UTC) | | I got an email saying that 1 of my videos were copyrighted infringed. I had put the Song, and Song artist on it, to give credit. They also emailed me about another one that the song was copyrighted, and I mixed the song myself, with my own created music. and.... It has been deleted. Even though i really don't care about it, it was wrong. | |
| rosebud Junior Member
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pm | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (10th Jul 08 at 11:03pm UTC) | | The internet is never safe. Anyone can hack into your account and computer these days. It's scary. | |
| Nick Very Senior Member
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pmwww | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (10th Jul 08 at 11:34pm UTC) | | The internet is never safe. Anyone can hack into your account and computer these days. It's scary.
Yep you are right rosebud, thats why you need to have high tech security, and that is why Vista is so Secure is because of it. Ive had people try to access my computer, and Nortan blocked it, I had about 20 attacks from the same IP address, and about 100 Viruses that were blocked from Nortan. | |
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pmwww | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (11th Jul 08 at 9:46am UTC) | | The internet is never safe. Anyone can hack into your account and computer these days. It's scary. Yep you are right rosebud, thats why you need to have high tech security, and that is why Vista is so Secure is because of it. Ive had people try to access my computer, and Nortan blocked it, I had about 20 attacks from the same IP address, and about 100 Viruses that were blocked from Nortan.
It's not necessarily the OS though, i've had XP for years and had very few problems - it's down to if you have a good firewall/anti-virus or not. Plus, if someone really wanted to they could bypass those.
Anyway, i digress *nudges the thread back on topic* | |
| dog199200 Guest | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (13th Jul 08 at 1:56am UTC) | | ...ya thats how i'd feel about it... | |
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pm | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (19th Jul 08 at 6:31am UTC) | | If they were to give out my information, id be annoyed. Their ToS clearly states they will not give our my personal information. Unless they make me re-read and sign a new ToS that says they can. If they dont and they do, I will sue them for alot of money, because its wrong. Plus since when can people give out email address of other people without our permission? I think that google would rather close youtube, then ruin everything they've worked for. | |
| ashkir Full Member
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pmskypemsnyahoo | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (19th Jul 08 at 8:41am UTC) | | If they were to give out my information, id be annoyed. Their ToS clearly states they will not give our my personal information. Unless they make me re-read and sign a new ToS that says they can. If they dont and they do, I will sue them for alot of money, because its wrong. Plus since when can people give out email address of other people without our permission? I think that google would rather close youtube, then ruin everything they've worked for. State laws may protect that, but the federal law doesn't. Google's case was taken to the top levels I believe, so they have no choice.
It's like the journalist source protection. The state cannot order the author to give up the source for leaked information but the federal government can. | |
| Nick Very Senior Member
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pmwww | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (19th Jul 08 at 2:43pm UTC) | | So IMO the feds with be at your door. "Sir or ma'am You are in violation of the Law you are coming with us." When in return the user is mainly a looker instead of an uploader. I know many people who joined 2 years or so ago, and never uploaded a thing. | |
| tricky.cb Senior Member
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pmwwwmsngtalk | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (19th Jul 08 at 3:50pm UTC) | | From what I've read and understood the judge has changed his ruling.
All of the info wont be given, but other things will be. It's in their blog thing, I was just glad to read that it's changed for the better | |
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pmwww | Re: YouTube Users' Privacy Threatened (19th Jul 08 at 6:59pm UTC) | | If they were to give out my information, id be annoyed. Their ToS clearly states they will not give our my personal information. Unless they make me re-read and sign a new ToS that says they can. If they dont and they do, I will sue them for alot of money, because its wrong. Plus since when can people give out email address of other people without our permission? I think that google would rather close youtube, then ruin everything they've worked for.
A company talks about how it uses information in it's Privacy Policy, not it's Terms of Service. Google's Privacy Policy clearly states that information will be shared with others to aid legal process; something you agree to by using YouTube, or opening an account.
Quote: Information sharing
Google only shares personal information with other companies or individuals outside of Google in the following limited circumstances:
We have your consent. We require opt-in consent for the sharing of any sensitive personal information.
We provide such information to our subsidiaries, affiliated companies or other trusted businesses or persons for the purpose of processing personal information on our behalf. We require that these parties agree to process such information based on our instructions and in compliance with this Policy and any other appropriate confidentiality and security measures.
We have a good faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of such information is reasonably necessary to (a) satisfy any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request, (b) enforce applicable Terms of Service, including investigation of potential violations thereof, (c) detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security or technical issues, or (d) protect against imminent harm to the rights, property or safety of Google, its users or the public as required or permitted by law.
If Google becomes involved in a merger, acquisition, or any form of sale of some or all of its assets, we will provide notice before personal information is transferred and becomes subject to a different privacy policy.
We may share with third parties certain pieces of aggregated, non-personal information, such as the number of users who searched for a particular term, for example, or how many users clicked on a particular advertisement. Such information does not identify you individually.
Please contact us at the address below for any additional questions about the management or use of personal data.
Quote: So IMO the feds with be at your door. "Sir or ma'am You are in violation of the Law you are coming with us." When in return the user is mainly a looker instead of an uploader. I know many people who joined 2 years or so ago, and never uploaded a thing.
It's the same thing as watching movies illegally on the internet; you didn't upload them but you're still breaking the law by viewing them. | |
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