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pmwwwskypeaimgtalk | | Re: Gay Marriage (18th Feb 08 at 3:35pm UTC) | | Slip, I guess you and I will just have to disagree, because I think marriage is obviously a religious institution. I also think a civil union can mean the same exact thing as a marriage.
Though I'd argue that a lot of marriages go south because a lot of people put emphasis on the wedding, and not what comes after...
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pm | | Re: Gay Marriage (20th Feb 08 at 12:54am UTC) | | I believe it is illegal in the US.
I am a Christian, so my religion will naturally give a biased answer, but not much.
I believe that, as Wrighty said, civil ceremonies are fine. However, I do not like that Stephen Harper made religious ones legal as well. I have no problem with homosexuality, bisexuality, or any of that; many of my friends are bisexual/gay. The only thing I don't like is that our leader is trying to change our religious belief system.
As I said, I have no problem with two men/two women getting a civil marriage; if they love each other and want to spend their lives together, then I have nothing against it. I just don't appreciate our own government trying to impede on peoples' religious beliefs.
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pmwwwskypeaimgtalk | | Re: Gay Marriage (21st Feb 08 at 12:51am UTC) | | I had a revelation today, and thought I'd share it.
To be gay is, obviously, outside the norm. It also deals with a sexual issue. Most people find discussing sexual issues uncomfortable, and don't want to think about it. When somebody with sexual tendencies outside the norm (be it homosexuality or any other deviation) it is calling attention to sex, and making people think about it. Which they don't want to do. So they don't like being around gay people, because they don't like thinking about sex.
Which also applies to children- "I don't want gay people to raise children because the child would be scarred" -- well, the child would be scarred if he saw Mommy and Daddy having sex, too, so... it's almost an issue of the demonization of sex.
That's my random thought of the day.
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pm | | Re: Gay Marriage (21st Feb 08 at 1:35am UTC) | | I had a revelation today, and thought I'd share it.
To be gay is, obviously, outside the norm. It also deals with a sexual issue. Most people find discussing sexual issues uncomfortable, and don't want to think about it. When somebody with sexual tendencies outside the norm (be it homosexuality or any other deviation) it is calling attention to sex, and making people think about it. Which they don't want to do. So they don't like being around gay people, because they don't like thinking about sex.
Which also applies to children- "I don't want gay people to raise children because the child would be scarred" -- well, the child would be scarred if he saw Mommy and Daddy having sex, too, so... it's almost an issue of the demonization of sex.
That's my random thought of the day.
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First of all, I'm not talking about the kids seeing the sex. I'm just talking about them being raised in that kind of situation.
It simply isn't right without having both a mother and a father because that is just how life works.
If a homosexual cannot produce offspring with it's mate, then it is not natural and therefore perverted. Period. Nothing in this world will ever change my mind because of that statement/fact. | |
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pmwwwskypeaimgtalk | | Re: Gay Marriage (21st Feb 08 at 2:51am UTC) | | Triad, if you can't defend your opinion with rationale, you're neither helping yourself nor me, and, to be frank, your opinion is rather worthless in my eyes. The fact that you'll never change it really only says that, in the event you're somehow proven wrong, you'll still stick to your opinion. And, not to be cliche, that's generally deemed 'ignorance'.
And, to answer the question, I would be ecstatic to have two moms or two dads.
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[edit] Re-read what I had written, and wanted to make sure the red text was clear: Your opinion is not worthless because it is wrong (I wouldn't ask if I already knew the answer, so who am I to say what's wrong or not?), but because you can't back it up, and are, in effect, saying 'because it just is that way.'. [/edit]
[edit2] Is anyone else laughing uncontrollably at the ads displayed for this thread? [/edit] | |
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pm | | Re: Gay Marriage (21st Feb 08 at 10:30pm UTC) | | Triad, if you can't defend your opinion with rationale, you're neither helping yourself nor me, and, to be frank, your opinion is rather worthless in my eyes. The fact that you'll never change it really only says that, in the event you're somehow proven wrong, you'll still stick to your opinion. And, not to be cliche, that's generally deemed 'ignorance'.
And, to answer the question, I would be ecstatic to have two moms or two dads.
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[edit] Re-read what I had written, and wanted to make sure the red text was clear: Your opinion is not worthless because it is wrong (I wouldn't ask if I already knew the answer, so who am I to say what's wrong or not?), but because you can't back it up, and are, in effect, saying 'because it just is that way.'. [/edit]
[edit2] Is anyone else laughing uncontrollably at the ads displayed for this thread? [/edit]
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pmwwwskypeaimgtalk | | Re: Gay Marriage (22nd Feb 08 at 2:31am UTC) | | You misunderstand me. I made this thread to try to change my mind. I'm hoping you can give me an explanation I have no answer to.
But the view you posted above is like me saying red is the best color. Why is it the best color? Because it's the best color. Why? Because it just is.
And, as much as we'd love for it to be so, morality isn't defined by opinions.
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pm | | Re: Gay Marriage (22nd Feb 08 at 7:51am UTC) | | Going off having parents of same sex... In my opinion, it being bad for the kid is... BS.
What about the kids who grow up around their dad and say.. his brothers, AKA the kids' uncles? Or grow up with their mom and her sisters? Are they scarred because there wasn't a man or a woman around 24/7 to "balance" it out? Sure they might have friends over once in awhile that's the opposite sex, but honestly, they're not raising the kid.
Now, me personally, I'm for gay marriage.. Or civil union. Whatever you want to call it.
It's not so different from the "normal" marriage. Hell, it's probably more stable then the "normal" one in terms of staying together. How many "normal" couples do you see get divorced all the time? How many families do you see broken up because the parents are on the brink of divorce/separation (mine included)? Is that really a healthy environment for a child? That is if the whole "problem" with gay marriages is being based solely upon the fact that gay couples can't reproduce within themselves. But is that really so bad? What about the women who can't bear children that get married? Or the people who opt out of having kids? Are they scorned upon? No. In our world today, it could be looked upon as a good thing. Less overpopulation. I mean... look at China... They can only have one kid per family because of overpopulation.
I'm with Arty, I think. I really don't understand why people are so against this. And here I thought with each generation we were becoming more and more open minded. | |
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